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So Spain doesn’t want tourists

Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:45am
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I’m just been watching protesters spraying tourists with water pistols . Were the people in the cafes British or Dutch , German or North American or any other nationality ? It seems a strange thing to do . It’s happening in the canaries as well as other areas . Surely tourism is a big part of spains economy . We obviously have similar issues in parts of England in Cornwall , Devon etc ,with second home owners . What’s your thoughts on this issue and is spraying people the way to go . I expect there are hundreds of second home owners and settled retired folk on this forum . Are you depriving a Spanish person of a home ?

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Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:57am

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Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:57am

Do we know that it's to do with depriving a Spanish people of a home, or could it be something else?

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Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 10:28am

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Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 10:28am

devo49 wrote on Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:45am:

I’m just been watching protesters spraying tourists with water pistols . Were the people in the cafes British or Dutch , German or North American or any other nationality ? It seems a strange thing to do . It’s happening in the canaries as well as other areas . Surely tourism is a big part of...

... spains economy . We obviously have similar issues in parts of England in Cornwall , Devon etc ,with second home owners . What’s your thoughts on this issue and is spraying people the way to go . I expect there are hundreds of second home owners and settled retired folk on this forum . Are you depriving a Spanish person of a home ?

No, I think that it is misguided, really.

It seems to me that the anti-tourist sentiment is only in the larger cities, towns and major tourists spots. There is a housing crisis in these spots

Rents are high, and the shite stirrers are targeting the tourists as opposed to the government, who like the Irish government, are trying for short term solutions like banning or making it very diffract to rent a place via the likes of Airbnb. This, instead of dealing with the lack of affordable housing or the uncontrolled rents that some are paying.

Tourists' seem to be the easy target for the anger at the lack of affordable housing. Regardless if they are American, Irish, British, Northern European or Spaniards for that matter.

I have seen an article that there are over 85 million tourist expected in Spain this year, does anyone think that if these numbers were to go away that the Spanish economy wouldn't suffer?

There are some very interesting articles spread over the internet covering this topic, some of the comments in this article are an example of the thought and feelings of local residents.

The water gun is kind of a shock treatment for all to see and say 'feck that ain't going there for me holiers won't be able to enjoy me pints or tapas''.

In the long run, it will hurt more than help. 

So in answer to your question, No, I do not think so. Not in my urbanization anyway, there are more Spaniards than other nationalities, are they depriving their fellow citizens?  



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Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 11:44am

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Hi Devo,

You mention Cornwall in your post, we dont have the same problems here, no one is spraying tourist with water, and as for the housing problem, I will give you an example. I live very near to a very quaint fishing village, where a local builder built 20 houses, half of which were affordable homes for local people, these affordable homes stood empty for nearly a year and not one Cornish person applied to buy one, eventually the council had to allow the builder to sell on the open market, most of them are now holiday homes. 

It seems to me there is a certain section of society nowadays that just like to cause trouble and if there isn't any they will create it. 

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Hi Devo,

You mention Cornwall in your post, we dont have the same problems here, no one is spraying tourist with water, and as for the housing problem, I will give you an example. I live very near to a very quaint fishing village, where a local builder built 20 houses, half of which were affordable homes for local people, these affordable homes stood empty for nearly a year and not one Cornish person applied to buy one, eventually the council had to allow the builder to sell on the open market, most of them are now holiday homes. 

It seems to me there is a certain section of society nowadays that just like to cause trouble and if there isn't any they will create it. 

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devo49

Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:04pm

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Jenni wrote on Tue Jul 9, 2024 11:44am:

Hi Devo,

You mention Cornwall in your post, we dont have the same problems here, no one is spraying tourist with water, and as for the housing problem, I will give you an example. I live very near to a very quaint fishing village, where a local builder built 20 houses, half of which were affordable homes ...

...for local people, these affordable homes stood empty for nearly a year and not one Cornish person applied to buy one, eventually the council had to allow the builder to sell on the open market, most of them are now holiday homes. 

It seems to me there is a certain section of society nowadays that just like to cause trouble and if there isn't any they will create it. 

Hi Jenni , nice to hear from you . Regarding Cornwall , Devon and other desirable areas , it has been highlighted on a number of news items and documentary’s like country file that youngsters are priced out of areas and small cottages ideal for young families are snapped up by wealthy incomers as they are referred too . What some folk call affordable homes are still out of the reach of most . I have rented in the Almeria area for over 40 years and mainly in what I would term holiday complexes mainly thru friends occasionally agents and normally in the September to May periods . I’ve never thought that I was depriving a Spanish person of accommodation and thought that the money that I spent in bars , restaurants, taxis and shopping helped the economy and employment , obviously mainly for my enjoyment .   I thought that the rules and regulations regarding letting out peoples second homes was closely policed and all income from letting were to be made transparent and liable to tax . Again putting money back into the system . I’m sure France , Italy ,Portugal and any amount of countries with lovely sunny climes have similar problems . Folks have more times on their hands than we had growing up in the 50s and 60s and expect more than a trip to Barmouth or Great Yarmouth both equi distance from the midlands .

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Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:40pm

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Airtaine wrote on Tue Jul 9, 2024 10:28am:

No, I think that it is misguided, really.

It seems to me that the anti-tourist sentiment is only in the larger cities, towns and major tourists spots. There is a housing crisis in these spots

Rents are high, and the shite stirrers are targeting the tourists as opposed to the government, who like the Irish government, are trying for short term solutions like banning or making it very diffract to rent a place via the likes of Airbnb. This, instead of dealing with the lack of affordable housing or the uncontrolled rents that some are paying.

Tourists' seem to be the easy target for the anger at the lack of affordable housing. Regardless if they are American, Irish, British, Northern European or Spaniards for that matter.

I have seen an article that there are over 85 million tourist expected in Spain this year, does anyone think that if these numbers were to go away that the Spanish economy wouldn't suffer?

There are some very interesting articles spread over the internet covering this topic, some of the comments in this article are an example of the thought and feelings of local residents.

The water gun is kind of a shock treatment for all to see and say 'feck that ain't going there for me holiers won't be able to enjoy me pints or tapas''.

In the long run, it will hurt more than help. 

So in answer to your question, No, I do not think so. Not in my urbanization anyway, there are more Spaniards than other nationalities, are they depriving their fellow citizens?  



Hi Airtaine, it does seem self harming if as you say some 85 million visitors plan to go to Spain . Then looking at the water pistol wielding protesters they look like the normal rent a mob that just love an excuse to cause a bit of mayhem . Thinking back years ago there was regions of wales where holiday cottages were burnt down or damaged by what we would term nationalist fervour . A good many apartments where I rented in the Atalayones complex were empty thru the winter months a bit of a ghost town apart from the golfers and residents . And the apartments that where let out seemed to be bar and restaurant staff with not many full time Spanish residents .

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Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:17pm

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devo49 wrote on Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:40pm:

Hi Airtaine, it does seem self harming if as you say some 85 million visitors plan to go to Spain . Then looking at the water pistol wielding protesters they look like the normal rent a mob that just love an excuse to cause a bit of mayhem . Thinking back years ago there was regions of wales wher...

...e holiday cottages were burnt down or damaged by what we would term nationalist fervour . A good many apartments where I rented in the Atalayones complex were empty thru the winter months a bit of a ghost town apart from the golfers and residents . And the apartments that where let out seemed to be bar and restaurant staff with not many full time Spanish residents .

One has to wonder why no protests in Benidorm, Torremolinos or places similar?

They depend on tourism and the income it brings, I would guess.

Now it is possible that the people who staff the bars and restaurants in Mojacar could protest as they may not be able to afford the rents around here in July and August, but I think they are aware that they would be biting off their noses to spite their faces.

Along with the fact, if they had the water guns and were squirting patrons, would they do that at an establishment where they work? 

Some of the rabble rousers, as you say, may not be the real protesters. There are some who may have a point about the lack of affordable accommodation, they just have the wrong target in their sites and the bowsies are out to stir it up.

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Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:45pm

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Rejection of tourists in some areas is something I found to be repugnant. I never agreed with such protests. These begrudge everybody types think they have a just cause or something and hop on any bandwagon available. I bet many of them were put through university on the tourism buck or Euro. How quickly they want to forget.

Since the Civil War ended (late 1930s) to the mid 1960s Spain was ruled by Franco and his henchmen. Spain was essentially an introverted state and going nowhere. Even Mojacar Pueblo was largely abandoned and vacant property was given free to nearly anybody prepared to invest in the place (certain conditions were implemented). 

So now some areas of Spain have stupid begrudgers objecting to everything including tourists. Lovely, just bloody lovely. Tell you what though, if you’re fed up with not being appreciated in Spain, come to Ireland where we appreciate every tourist. Bring your umbrella too, we don’t want you to catch influenza. 

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Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2024 6:02pm

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Matthew wrote on Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:45pm:

Rejection of tourists in some areas is something I found to be repugnant. I never agreed with such protests. These begrudge everybody types think they have a just cause or something and hop on any bandwagon available. I bet many of them were put through university on the tourism buck or Euro. How...

... quickly they want to forget.

Since the Civil War ended (late 1930s) to the mid 1960s Spain was ruled by Franco and his henchmen. Spain was essentially an introverted state and going nowhere. Even Mojacar Pueblo was largely abandoned and vacant property was given free to nearly anybody prepared to invest in the place (certain conditions were implemented). 

So now some areas of Spain have stupid begrudgers objecting to everything including tourists. Lovely, just bloody lovely. Tell you what though, if you’re fed up with not being appreciated in Spain, come to Ireland where we appreciate every tourist. Bring your umbrella too, we don’t want you to catch influenza. 

We have lovely weather here in East Sussex “ The Sunshine Coast “ they call it and Eastbourne . We’ve seen the sun about as often as Wills has spoken to Harry this year . Can’t wait to be a tourist again and winding up the pistol sprayers while getting rid of some of my hard earned cash into Mojacar’s economy . Guinness too dear in Ireland Mathew and possibly more rain . 

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