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Matthew

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:54pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:54pm

Hi Viv, You're wrong inasmuch as UK passports were ever dished out extensively to Irish people. However, the UK was always "good" to Ireland inasmuch as Irish people could obtain employment there. Usually, this employment was work that the Brits would not do themselves. Believe me the Irish were nearly always grateful for the work available in the UK. I used to work in Bedfordshire and I must admit I was welcomed with open arms while there.

In the light of Brexit and some of the implications and thoughts many thousands of UK nationals applied and are applying for Irish passports. The general belief is that these passports are to be given as much as possible rather than finding reasons why they should not be processed. I have no problem with this as I always regarded our nearest neighbour should be treated in a friendly way. 

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:11pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:11pm

Hi, I differ to agree with passports not being dished out to Irsh,regardless of the work,a UK passport would ( have) to been obtained. 

The bigger picture in regard to the new passports being given, is that it might change the stale h house prices in Ireland at the moment,  I should know, I own a house there. There could be a new influx of (Brits) who wish to move there,and with hope boost the economy. 

Matthew

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:19pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:19pm

No problem Viv. We can agree to differ.

Yes, we have lots of Brits moving to Ireland fulltime and I must say they're welcome as the day is long. For hundreds of years in Ireland we have a saying "more Irish than the Irish themselves." Remarkably, when most Brits move to ROI they adopt our ways and generally improve the living landscape here. I love meeting Brits domiciled in Ireland and believe me they know more about our culture than us and they can talk favourably about our music and sport. Furthermore if they have moved to Irish speaking areas they also adopt the Irish language. 

If I were to say something untoward about the Brits who move to the ROI I would be doing a disfavour not only to them but to us. OK! I know they love washing their cars on Sunday mornings. (I know they're not perfect - insert winking smilie here). They still support the England rugby team. And why should they not? It's good to have them around and see their offspring marrying ours. And long may it last.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:25pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:25pm

Good on you Matthew, very well worded and a pleasure,  have a pleasant day sir.

chrisso50

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:15pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:15pm

Matthew wrote on Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:00pm:

1. It's old news now and I have to admit that I got the whole results outcome wrong.(I never doubted that the Tories would come out of the election ahead, but I couldn't have predicted the extent of the majority).

2. The GBP£ has recovered. (No complaints here)

3. No more uncertainty about who is governing the UK. (I hope my fears here are alleviated).

4. Future of Scotland within the UK is under pressure. (Probably will lead to the relatively near dissolution of the UK). Welsh nationalists to eventually follow too.

5. Long-term future of Northern Ireland within the UK may be challenged. (No good outcome down the road; real fears abound).[Unionists are not in a majority for the first time in 98 years].

6. Future of Brits living within the EU but outside of the UK will probably work out favourably.

7. Will there be less Brits arriving to live in Spain? Will property prices on the Costas be affected? Will Spain keep the gate open? Will ROI continue to dish out Irish passports (to Brits) like confetti? Will property rental prices in Spain mark time?

Yes, it’s over. And you were right Matthew - final result was in this afternoon so no more waiting around till Sunday. 

It’s Friday 13th but really, I’m not superstitious. However, Prof John Curtice the polling guru points out that the sum of the votes works out as 52% Remain, 48% Leave. 

Future of Wales? No, that is fixed alongside that of England. The 1997 devolution only just scraped through in Wales, there is no mood for independence, it will never happen.

Scotland is different. Johnson will refuse #IndyRef2 but a constitutional appeal to the Supreme Court will surely overturn him. He might try another strategy - that *any* future referendum within the U.K. must have a 60% majority to succeed. I certainly anticipate at least a 51% majority if it is held after Scotland leaves the EU with the U.K. in 2021. If so we will be able to get Scottish passports as my wife is Scottish, and freedom of movement.

N. Ireland? I think that once the reality of the Irish Sea trade zone border kicks in they will agree a deal for Irish reunification. 

So - Little England (with Wales) will survive the breakup of the U.K. I trust the economy (which has slipped behind that of France in recent years) will not slip into post-Brexit recession as that affects the exchange rate we get here in Spain for sterling.

Chris

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:31pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:31pm

You failed. It was overly shown

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:40pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:40pm

Park Ranger wrote on Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:31pm:

You failed. It was overly shown

The only thing that failed was truth.  Not a lot of it about this election - certainly not from the Conservatives who lied with gay abandon.

Well at least if the Prime Minister has any difficult questions to face, we know how adept he is at hiding in a fridge.

Now, if only he could learn not to come out .....

chrisso50

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:57pm

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Park Ranger wrote on Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:31pm:

You failed. It was overly shown

Bizarre 🤭. Everything apparently seen as ‘win-lose’. But yes, Remain as a concept did lose. We are Brexiting! 

But we are now entering a win-lose transition period - during which we Remain in the Single Market and Customs Union. Until Dec 2020. 

Now the above poster arrived here in Spain just three months after I did. And now ALL of us resident here will have to obtain TIEs - hopefully we will all satisfy Spain’s requirements for those.

But - Spain’s attitude and requirements to Britons resident here will necessitate Johnson ensuring that those Spanish citizens residing in the U.K. are treated equitably. Let us fervently hope that is the case.

Chris

Matthew

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:45pm

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:45pm

The Irish Prime Minister (Leo Varadkar) has welcomed the general election result in the UK. He sounded upbeat about the UK's future prospects. Brexit since the referendum result 3 years ago is the main game in town in all our national news bulletins. I get the feeling that whatever went on between Mr Johnson and Leo Varadkar in their recent meetings that some kind of mutual favourable deals/agreements took place. I don't have any hard proof of these, but my fears are lessening.

If that is the case with Ireland, I feel some deals/agreements will have to be made with the Spanish government regarding the fears that Brits-in-Spain may be feeling. There are Spaniards living in the UK to, so again there is mutual ground to allay fears. Let's hope some agreements take place.

The GBP£ has more than recovered and in just 24 hours. This is vital for retired Brits in Spain and almost instantly has improved their prospects. 

Listening to Boris Johnson's speeches today I reckon he is anxious to proceed with the "healing" process that was caused by and since the referendum. He needs a United Kingdom rather than (Dis)United Kingdom. His first priority is the NHS which seems to be crumbling by the day. He will have to act fast here. If he loses the dressing room, he'll lose the match and the league. I don't know what he can do to allay the fears of the Scots (who are hell bent on leaving the UK) or the Unionists in Northern Ireland who probably feel they are in a state of limbo. But, he cannot ignore their issues. I don't see a workable and peaceful United Ireland in my lifetime.  I hope Mr Johnson can act fast. 

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