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Brexit is Coming and the Geese are Getting Fat

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:22pm
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YOW!!  Two areas in particular caught my eye under the heading “Changes that will happen in any event, whether an agreement is reached or not”

“In any case, as of 1 January 2021, air carriers holding operating licences granted by the UK licensing authority for the commercial carrying by air of passengers, mail and/or cargo, will no longer be able to provide air transport services within the European Union.“

So ... about those flights you were going to book - RyanAir will clean up beings they are Dublin based and BA now has its head office in EU doesn’t it after a substantial buy-out from an EU member state ....

And :- 

“As of 1 January 2021, UK nationals travelling to the European Union and the Schengen area will be treated as third-country nationals, and therefore subject to thorough checks at the Schengen area border. This means that intended stays on the territory of EU Member States cannot have a duration of more than 90 days in any 180-day period, and UK nationals will have to meet the entry conditions for third-country nationals. They can also no longer make use of the EU/EEA/CH lanes reserved for persons enjoying the right to free movement when crossing the border.“ 

That Right there is the death-knell for the oft-told “you don’t know what they’ll do after the end of the transition period - they’ll make a special arrangement for UK nationals wanting to move”.  Nope. They won’t.  Further movement of nationals as mentioned in the political agreement is not even being discussed at the current talks - which themselves have stalled.

There’s a LOT more - Driving licences, Pet Passports, UK Registered companies - even withdrawal of .eu domain names from those entities or persons that are not EU residents / Citizens and are registered in UK.  Few people could wake up and find company website has disappeared overnight!

I also noted with dry amusement the part about no longer benefitting from several hundred trade deals and agreements ... pretty sure UK isn’t going to be able to renegotiate individually all those by the end of the year .....

Interesting reading and not good news for anyone looking to come to the union to live after 1/1/21, or even do business here - noting that VAT will be applied to goods imported etc and tariffs will be applicable - even if there IS a deal... that’s going to push the cost of favored Brit foods in Icelands up quite sharply.

Anyone who thinks Brexit was a fine thing should have a read of this document - acquaint themselves with the realities of what is about to happen.

Yay. You got Blue passports back, which are in fact black, produced by a French company and printed in Poland - and there was no requirement for passports to be red.  UK chose that and could have gone back to blue anytime.

Yay. You got rid of the “Tampon Tax”. ... Which Cameron negotiated away ANYWAY in 2016 ahead of the referendum but Farage and co quietly let that go by.

Yay. You got back “control of your borders”. Which you never actually lost and as you no longer benefit from Dublin III agreement after 1/1/21 can’t even deport the refugees you do get back to EU ... like you still can at the moment.

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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:00am

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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:00am

DarioMartin wrote on Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:10pm:

YOW!!  Two areas in particular caught my eye under the heading “Changes that will happen in any event, whether an agreement is reached or not”

“In any case, as of 1 January 2021, air carriers holding operating licences granted by the UK licensing authority for the commercial carrying by air of passengers, mail and/or cargo, will no longer be able to provide air transport services within the European Union.“
...

...

So ... about those flights you were going to book - RyanAir will clean up beings they are Dublin based and BA now has its head office in EU doesn’t it after a substantial buy-out from an EU member state ....

And :- 

“As of 1 January 2021, UK nationals travelling to the European Union and the Schengen area will be treated as third-country nationals, and therefore subject to thorough checks at the Schengen area border. This means that intended stays on the territory of EU Member States cannot have a duration of more than 90 days in any 180-day period, and UK nationals will have to meet the entry conditions for third-country nationals. They can also no longer make use of the EU/EEA/CH lanes reserved for persons enjoying the right to free movement when crossing the border.“ 

That Right there is the death-knell for the oft-told “you don’t know what they’ll do after the end of the transition period - they’ll make a special arrangement for UK nationals wanting to move”.  Nope. They won’t.  Further movement of nationals as mentioned in the political agreement is not even being discussed at the current talks - which themselves have stalled.

There’s a LOT more - Driving licences, Pet Passports, UK Registered companies - even withdrawal of .eu domain names from those entities or persons that are not EU residents / Citizens and are registered in UK.  Few people could wake up and find company website has disappeared overnight!

I also noted with dry amusement the part about no longer benefitting from several hundred trade deals and agreements ... pretty sure UK isn’t going to be able to renegotiate individually all those by the end of the year .....

Interesting reading and not good news for anyone looking to come to the union to live after 1/1/21, or even do business here - noting that VAT will be applied to goods imported etc and tariffs will be applicable - even if there IS a deal... that’s going to push the cost of favored Brit foods in Icelands up quite sharply.

Anyone who thinks Brexit was a fine thing should have a read of this document - acquaint themselves with the realities of what is about to happen.

Yay. You got Blue passports back, which are in fact black, produced by a French company and printed in Poland - and there was no requirement for passports to be red.  UK chose that and could have gone back to blue anytime.

Yay. You got rid of the “Tampon Tax”. ... Which Cameron negotiated away ANYWAY in 2016 ahead of the referendum but Farage and co quietly let that go by.

Yay. You got back “control of your borders”. Which you never actually lost and as you no longer benefit from Dublin III agreement after 1/1/21 can’t even deport the refugees you do get back to EU ... like you still can at the moment.

Love it! (Your reply that is)

Very strange times are upon us...

Brexit can,and most probably will change a few things,not necessarily for the better...

Was helpful coz I was unable to open the link!!

JJ

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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:11am

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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:11am

Jen jen wrote on Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:00am:

Love it! (Your reply that is)

Very strange times are upon us...

Brexit can,and most probably will change a few things,not necessarily for the better...

Was helpful coz I was unable to open the link!!

JJ

It’s a 35 page PDF document published by EU that lays out in stark reality what WILL (note to Brexiteers reading - WILL - not “might”, or “could” or “but nothing is decided yet”), happen once transition period ends.

I am very VERY grateful that I have my Residencia and have a small business established here.  The next few years are going to be very rocky indeed the other side of the pond.  What Brexiteers labeled “Project Fear” is now showing itself as “Reality”

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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:15pm

DarioMartin wrote on Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:10pm:

YOW!!  Two areas in particular caught my eye under the heading “Changes that will happen in any event, whether an agreement is reached or not”

“In any case, as of 1 January 2021, air carriers holding operating licences granted by the UK licensing authority for the commercial carrying by air of passengers, mail and/or cargo, will no longer be able to provide air transport services within the European Union.“
...

...

So ... about those flights you were going to book - RyanAir will clean up beings they are Dublin based and BA now has its head office in EU doesn’t it after a substantial buy-out from an EU member state ....

And :- 

“As of 1 January 2021, UK nationals travelling to the European Union and the Schengen area will be treated as third-country nationals, and therefore subject to thorough checks at the Schengen area border. This means that intended stays on the territory of EU Member States cannot have a duration of more than 90 days in any 180-day period, and UK nationals will have to meet the entry conditions for third-country nationals. They can also no longer make use of the EU/EEA/CH lanes reserved for persons enjoying the right to free movement when crossing the border.“ 

That Right there is the death-knell for the oft-told “you don’t know what they’ll do after the end of the transition period - they’ll make a special arrangement for UK nationals wanting to move”.  Nope. They won’t.  Further movement of nationals as mentioned in the political agreement is not even being discussed at the current talks - which themselves have stalled.

There’s a LOT more - Driving licences, Pet Passports, UK Registered companies - even withdrawal of .eu domain names from those entities or persons that are not EU residents / Citizens and are registered in UK.  Few people could wake up and find company website has disappeared overnight!

I also noted with dry amusement the part about no longer benefitting from several hundred trade deals and agreements ... pretty sure UK isn’t going to be able to renegotiate individually all those by the end of the year .....

Interesting reading and not good news for anyone looking to come to the union to live after 1/1/21, or even do business here - noting that VAT will be applied to goods imported etc and tariffs will be applicable - even if there IS a deal... that’s going to push the cost of favored Brit foods in Icelands up quite sharply.

Anyone who thinks Brexit was a fine thing should have a read of this document - acquaint themselves with the realities of what is about to happen.

Yay. You got Blue passports back, which are in fact black, produced by a French company and printed in Poland - and there was no requirement for passports to be red.  UK chose that and could have gone back to blue anytime.

Yay. You got rid of the “Tampon Tax”. ... Which Cameron negotiated away ANYWAY in 2016 ahead of the referendum but Farage and co quietly let that go by.

Yay. You got back “control of your borders”. Which you never actually lost and as you no longer benefit from Dublin III agreement after 1/1/21 can’t even deport the refugees you do get back to EU ... like you still can at the moment.

Makes one wonder whether or not UK residents could claim asylum in EU countries. Plenty of third country nationals coming from France seem to be getting away with it in the UK, so why not the other way round? It's just a thought.

Also there are more than twice as many EU citizens living in the UK who have been guaranteed their security by the British Government than there are UK citzens living in the EU. Are the EU not being a little silly trying to play hard ball and punish UK citizens in the EU? 

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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:40pm

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Stuart47 wrote on Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:15pm:

Makes one wonder whether or not UK residents could claim asylum in EU countries. Plenty of third country nationals coming from France seem to be getting away with it in the UK, so why not the other way round? It's just a thought.

Also there are more than twice as many EU citizens living in the UK who have been guaranteed their security by the British Government than there are UK citzens living in the EU. Are the EU not being a little silly trying to play hard ball and punish UK citizens in the EU? ...

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But that’s the thing - there is so much assumption that EU is “playing hardball” or “punishing the UK” ... and it is utter nonsense.

Britain has left the club.  Pure and simple.  That document simply outlines what “leaving the club” means.  After 1/1/21 UK is no longer able to avail itself of membership benefits and that document simply lays out what benefits UK is losing. Nothing more, nothing less.  

Those UK citizens already living in the EU have had their security and residence guaranteed - with a printed document attesting to that status, a step further than UK.

As to the future, well UKs introduction of its 70 point system for prospective migrants is on par (or is in fact a little harsher) than what is needed for TCNs to move to the EU.

There is no punishment being meted out - only parity.

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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:21pm

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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:21pm

DarioMartin wrote on Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:40pm:

But that’s the thing - there is so much assumption that EU is “playing hardball” or “punishing the UK” ... and it is utter nonsense.

Britain has left the club.  Pure and simple.  That document simply outlines what “leaving the club” means.  After 1/1/21 UK is no longer able to avail itself of membership benefits and that document simply lays out what benefits UK is losing. Nothing more, nothing less.  <...

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Those UK citizens already living in the EU have had their security and residence guaranteed - with a printed document attesting to that status, a step further than UK.

As to the future, well UKs introduction of its 70 point system for prospective migrants is on par (or is in fact a little harsher) than what is needed for TCNs to move to the EU.

There is no punishment being meted out - only parity.

We are doomed, we are all doomed.  You all tend to forget, or so it would seem because it suits your narrative, that trade and travel is a 2 way street.  Just please remind us all who benefits most from the EU / UK trade?  BREXIT was voted for over 4 years ago and its about time you all 'got over it'.  You may not have agreed with the outcome, not every one did, or does,  but after so many years it is as I say about time you all simply accepted the result.  

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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:26pm

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Andymac1951 wrote on Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:21pm:

We are doomed, we are all doomed.  You all tend to forget, or so it would seem because it suits your narrative, that trade and travel is a 2 way street.  Just please remind us all who benefits most from the EU / UK trade?  BREXIT was voted for over 4 years ago and its about time yo...

...u all 'got over it'.  You may not have agreed with the outcome, not every one did, or does,  but after so many years it is as I say about time you all simply accepted the result.  

The UK is leaving the club. Of that there is no doubt. Who do you think doubts it? Nobody said the UK is doomed only you!

I wish the UK only the best when its membership of the EU ceases.

[That pint is still on!]

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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:32pm

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Matthew wrote on Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:26pm:

The UK is leaving the club. Of that there is no doubt. Who do you think doubts it? Nobody said the UK is doomed only you!

I wish the UK only the best when its membership of the EU ceases.

[That pint is still on!]

Ah don't tell me you missed the irony of my quote Matthew or is that Mr Mannering?

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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:11pm

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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:11pm

Andymac1951 wrote on Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:32pm:

Ah don't tell me you missed the irony of my quote Matthew or is that Mr Mannering?

I thought the" were all doomed" bit was sarcasm... Made me giggle!

Its true though,the subject of brexit is just as boring as the subject of coronavirus now!!!

JJ

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