90 day limit conundrum

Whoopydo wrote on Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:34pm:

I would guess that they would know as, usually, they insert your passport into their machine that reads the info strip. So their systems would know.

Martin. 

daveewilliams wrote on Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:54pm:

Makes sense but unless the machine digitally and invisibly marks the passport on the way in, what would there be to read on the way out? Also, if the passport is stamped digitally, why bother with the ink stamp? Not trying to be argumentative. Genuinely don't know. 

DarioMartin wrote on Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:46am:

If passport has a chip, in / out information is read off the chip.  The stamp is a visual reminder for the holder.  

If you try and grab an extra 14 days because passport wasn’t stamped, on exiting, you’ll get a hefty fine for overstaying when the electronic info is read.

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The stamp is also applied in case any countries electronic systems are offline and they have to go full manual, or they don’t yet have a fully functional electronic chip reader - few and far between though.

ETIAS, being put online in early 2023, will put paid to any grabbing of extra days as it will be active throughout the Union.

Juliet Diaz wrote on Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:49am:

This will all be sorted out next year when the visa waiver is introduced. It will work just like the one you have to apply for when travelling to the USA and will accurately log time spent in the SA. Until then I suspect some people may be lucky and get away with overstaying. Others will be caugh...

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...t out though and risk a fine, a deportation or a ban.

DarioMartin wrote on Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:46am:

If passport has a chip, in / out information is read off the chip.  The stamp is a visual reminder for the holder.  

If you try and grab an extra 14 days because passport wasn’t stamped, on exiting, you’ll get a hefty fine for overstaying when the electronic info is read.

Read more...

The stamp is also applied in case any countries electronic systems are offline and they have to go full manual, or they don’t yet have a fully functional electronic chip reader - few and far between though.

ETIAS, being put online in early 2023, will put paid to any grabbing of extra days as it will be active throughout the Union.

L181SKY wrote on Sat Oct 16, 2021 3:16pm:

One for you Dario,  you will know for sure,   on the same Fb thread.   They say the 180 days are rolling !    I don’t get that lol.   so if  it’s 90 days in ANY 180 day period so.  If one were to visit France for the day from U.K., then thats the 180 da...

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...ys counting ,get to the 90th  day then enter the EU and stay your 89 days, return to the U.K. for the weekend clock stops for that 180 day period  and resets for the next 180 so , Then back into the EU for another 90 days. Almost like what they used to do, getting your 6 months in the EU almost together.    Would that work ?   

DarioMartin wrote on Sat Oct 16, 2021 4:43pm:

No - and that’s why a Schengen stay Calculator is invaluable.  What the “rolling” means is that it isn’t a fixed period per year i.e. January to December - it’s measured in any 180 days.  Once you have reached 90 days in that 180 day period, you have to leave “for an equival...

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...ent period” i.e. 90 days.

If you come over and spend say 30 days, that obviously decreases your allowance, but if you then go out of Schengen for e.g. 23 days, that 23 days gets added back on, meaning you have only actually spent 7 days of your 90.

It gets very very confusing unless you are doing it in set blocks of 90 days (allowing time of course to travel to / from final destination as clock starts ticking the second you enter the Schengen)

The advice given on the Schengen Calculator sites is to count back 180 days from current date and see how many of those days you’ve spent in the Schengen - that’s what they mean by a rolling 180 days - it’s always calculated back from current date.