Covid-19 Wave 2 on the way? - Page 2

Yeah, lockdown rules in the UK are so vague and tenuous with paltry fines of £60 and that's why soon the UK will be overtaking Italy and the leading country for deaths in Europe and only second to USA who has 5 times the population in a much less dense population. Even if the bars around here(I'm in Palomares) are allowed to open soon I don't think I will be there for some time to come. I think economics are overriding health concerns.As for being out for as long as you want  because your place is less than 5,000 surely most places like Pulpii come under a bigger municipality as Palomares here comes under the jurisdiction of Cuevas del Almanzora?

I think it's just you

Went out this morning and saw two police patrol keeping an eye on things and everyone was in by 10

Glad I'm here and not in London

Me too,guess the figures for deaths in the UK will be up in the 600's again today with their stupid lockdown rules probably to blame...

Are mathews comments based on media info, I, m sure he's still in Ireland, come on mathew she'd some light. I do read and remember your posts. 

James 

Today will be the real test, with businesses opening again.  We have elected to wait until at least 18 May before offering therapeutic services again - I'd like to see if the "allowed out for exercise" and hairdressers / beauty and nail shops re-opening today causes a spike.  If not, then I'd say we are in a good shape.

Government have laid down some fairly strict regulations for opening, i.e. no waiting, appointment only, single person service, full PPE (gloves, masks, face shields etc etc) and a minimum of twice daily disinfection of all work surfaces or surfaces touched - door handles, counters, computers, keyboards etc etc etc - with a solution of 1:50 bleach, or if commercial disinfectant obtained, one of the "approved" disinfectants (yes, the government here has laid down not only that disinfection must occur, but have specified what must be used)  Disinfection MUST occur at close of business, and it is recommended that the mandatory second disinfection occur during a lunch period.  Following the disinfection procedure(s), all PPE MUST be discarded and fresh PPE used.  Receptacle must be provided for discarded PPE.

My question is this ... how many businesses are actually going to fully comply with those regulations?  How many CAN?

Also, from Phase 1 (11 May) Gatherings of up to 10 people are allowed in private residences.  How many of them will be observing "Social distancing" or wearing masks and gloves?, so it's possible - probable even - that there will be some fresh infections.  Hopefully not many.

If the Spanish government are being so strict I would be very surprised if there any new spikes in low population density areas like Almería. The big test is Madrid. Spanish people seems pretty good at sticking to the rules (more so than in the UK) so I think there’s every reason to be quietly optimistic. 

Are they contemplating herd immunity, without stating same, Let infection spread through healthier sector of population whilst safeguarding vulnerable. Interesting that social gatherings exclude at risk.

James

Don’t think herd immunity has any credibility  anymore. Tracking and tracing and local lockdowns until a vaccine is found will be the general government strategy I think 

Interesting question; I found this article from CEBM University of Oxford, dated 14 April 2020.  It explains the R0 value and the Re value, and also discusses the theory of Herd Immunity.

The one thing that they outline is that herd immunity can only be obtained when a percentage of the population (dependant on the R0 value of the infection) have achieved immunity.  A vaccine is still some way off, and as of the date of this article, there is no reliable test to ensure that recovery from Covid-19 actually leaves you immune to further infection.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/when-will-it-be-over-an-introduction-to-viral-reproduction-numbers-r0-and-re/

I think I will be staying away from any bars,shops for some time to come yet.Think this is more about economic survivability than health and safety considerations.Mind you after  7 weeks lockdown I could do with a haircut..😁