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Hi . Does anyone know if a one year visa to remain in Spain could also allow me to visit family in Italy during that year. ? Also if there are no border checks in Schengen countries maybe it is possible to visit other EU countries? Any ideas on this? Thanks
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:48pm
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lindseymonty wrote on Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:46am:
Hi . Does anyone know if a one year visa to remain in Spain could also allow me to visit family in Italy during that year. ? Also if there are no border checks in Schengen countries maybe it is possible to visit other EU countries? Any ideas on this? Thanks
Hi
Could you enlighten us to what your 'one year visa to remain in Spain' is. As far as I am aware a Schengen visa allows a person to travel anywhere in the Schengen area for a period of 90 days in any 180. If your visa is not a Schengen visa then different rules may apply.
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:17pm
truenudisttoo wrote on Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:48pm:
Hi
Could you enlighten us to what your 'one year visa to remain in Spain' is. As far as I am aware a Schengen visa allows a person to travel anywhere in the Schengen area for a period of 90 days in any 180. If your visa is not a Schengen visa then different rules may apply.
Hi it’s a Non lucrative visa and you need a certain amount of money in the bank to prove you are independent £ 30000 I think
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:43pm
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lindseymonty wrote on Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:17pm:
Hi it’s a Non lucrative visa and you need a certain amount of money in the bank to prove you are independent £ 30000 I think
Hi
I believe a Spanish non-lucrative visa is valid for three months and 15 days. During this time, you need to apply for a Spanish non-lucrative visa residence permit. The non-lucrative visa residence permit is initially valid for two years.
And so to answer your question once you have a Spanish residency card you are entitled to travel anywhere in EU. ( My guess is even if you did get stopped at a border ( and its not unknown - its happened to me! ) there would be no issue.
My overall advice though is to get some professional advice. Spanish bureaucracy can be a minefield.
Best of luck!
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:04pm
truenudisttoo wrote on Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:43pm:
Hi
I believe a Spanish non-lucrative visa is valid for three months and 15 days. During this time, you need to apply for a Spanish non-lucrative visa residence permit. The non-lucrative visa residence permit is initially valid for two years.
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And so to answer your question once you have a Spanish residency card you are entitled to travel anywhere in EU. ( My guess is even if you did get stopped at a border ( and its not unknown - its happened to me! ) there would be no issue.
My overall advice though is to get some professional advice. Spanish bureaucracy can be a minefield.
Best of luck!
Ok thank you. Just to add it does seem so unfair that EU citizens can come to England for 6 months before needing documentation. I could understand 6 months but the 90 days in 180 is odd. It is the unfairness of the B word!!
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:30pm
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lindseymonty wrote on Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:04pm:
Ok thank you. Just to add it does seem so unfair that EU citizens can come to England for 6 months before needing documentation. I could understand 6 months but the 90 days in 180 is odd. It is the unfairness of the B word!!
I actually look at it from the other end of the telescope. I believe UK is generous ( perhaps too generous? ) in its short term visitor status. I don't believe that the EU is mean or any different than any other country with its 90 day rule. I can't think of another country in the world ( certainly none I have been to ) that offers a 6 month visitor visa. Indeed many are considerably less than 90 days ( and the reality is the Schengen visa IS for 6 months - it just happens to be in 2 x 90 day periods or a combination thereof. For me, what it says is that UK is a 'soft touch' compared with anywhere else. Try getting into the US. They take your finger prints on entry! Perhaps the huge influx of immigrants to UK could be a result of this 'soft' approach.
Having returned from Bahamas last year I can tell you that expected that I would be able to stay for 3 months. I was given 14 days! When I questioned the Immigration person who stamped my passport she abruptly responded by saying ' Sir, you can stay as long as I say you can'. I left the immigration hall very quickly.
Brexit has a lot to answer for. And its not over yet.
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:08am
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lindseymonty wrote on Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:04pm:
Ok thank you. Just to add it does seem so unfair that EU citizens can come to England for 6 months before needing documentation. I could understand 6 months but the 90 days in 180 is odd. It is the unfairness of the B word!!
1. The Non-Lucrative Visa is a path to residency, not an extended-stay tourist visa. Once you receive your visa you have I think 90 days in which to take it up and go to Spain. Immediately on arrival in Spain you are obliged to apply for your TIE. You are given 30 days to do this. This is your residents permit.
2. A condition of the Non-Lucrative Visa is that you may not spend more than 10 months cumulative in the first 5 years outside of Spain and no more than 6 months in any one year. Breaching these conditions will invalidate the visa.
3. You can of course visit other Schengen countries but outside of Spain you are restricted to 90 days in every 180.
4. If you think it’s unfair, blame the UK. They helped draft the Schengen legislation whilst a member. The only thing Brexit had to do with it was putting UK in the same class as all other 3rd countries (Australia, South Africa, Russia, United States etcetera) The Schengen legislation existed a long time before Brexit came about - by leaving the EU, UK simply put themselves in a position where this existing legislation would apply to them.
5. The 6 months in UK for an EU citizen carries a lot of caveats. Your normal tourist visa is in fact 90 days - same as most other places. The 6 month visa is a business visa, however on obtaining this visa you may not in any way demonstrate residency i.e. you are not allowed to go to the UK on a 6 month Visa and rent a house as that shows intentions of residency. There are a lot more, but the notion that EU citizens can swan into UK on a 6 month pass whilst UK citizens are restricted to 90 in 180 is a fallacy.
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:15am
DarioMartin wrote on Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:08am:
1. The Non-Lucrative Visa is a path to residency, not an extended-stay tourist visa. Once you receive your visa you have I think 90 days in which to take it up and go to Spain. Immediately on arrival in Spain you are obliged to apply for your TIE. You are given 30 days to do thi...
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...s. This is your residents permit.
2. A condition of the Non-Lucrative Visa is that you may not spend more than 10 months cumulative in the first 5 years outside of Spain and no more than 6 months in any one year. Breaching these conditions will invalidate the visa.
3. You can of course visit other Schengen countries but outside of Spain you are restricted to 90 days in every 180.
4. If you think it’s unfair, blame the UK. They helped draft the Schengen legislation whilst a member. The only thing Brexit had to do with it was putting UK in the same class as all other 3rd countries (Australia, South Africa, Russia, United States etcetera) The Schengen legislation existed a long time before Brexit came about - by leaving the EU, UK simply put themselves in a position where this existing legislation would apply to them.
5. The 6 months in UK for an EU citizen carries a lot of caveats. Your normal tourist visa is in fact 90 days - same as most other places. The 6 month visa is a business visa, however on obtaining this visa you may not in any way demonstrate residency i.e. you are not allowed to go to the UK on a 6 month Visa and rent a house as that shows intentions of residency. There are a lot more, but the notion that EU citizens can swan into UK on a 6 month pass whilst UK citizens are restricted to 90 in 180 is a fallacy.
I blame the UK for everything. Actually England not the UK. And especially certain hypocritical slimy politicians. Plus evil so called newspapers which we have over here
truenudisttoo wrote on Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:43pm:
Hi
I believe a Spanish non-lucrative visa is valid for three months and 15 days. During this time, you need to apply for a Spanish non-lucrative visa residence permit. The non-lucrative visa residence permit is initially valid for two years.
Read more...
And so to answer your question once you have a Spanish residency card you are entitled to travel anywhere in EU. ( My guess is even if you did get stopped at a border ( and its not unknown - its happened to me! ) there would be no issue.
My overall advice though is to get some professional advice. Spanish bureaucracy can be a minefield.
Best of luck!
A non lucrative visa, is not for a stay in Spain for 12 months, it is a visa to allow you to apply for a TIE. ( RESIDENCIA ) which must be applied for within 30 days of arriving in Spain. Which also means you pay income tax here in Spain and you can only leave Spain for 10 months in the whole of the first 5 years ....If you dont apply for Residencia then you can only stay a maximum of 90 days..
DarioMartin wrote on Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:08am:
1. The Non-Lucrative Visa is a path to residency, not an extended-stay tourist visa. Once you receive your visa you have I think 90 days in which to take it up and go to Spain. Immediately on arrival in Spain you are obliged to apply for your TIE. You are given 30 days to do thi...
Read more...
...s. This is your residents permit.
2. A condition of the Non-Lucrative Visa is that you may not spend more than 10 months cumulative in the first 5 years outside of Spain and no more than 6 months in any one year. Breaching these conditions will invalidate the visa.
3. You can of course visit other Schengen countries but outside of Spain you are restricted to 90 days in every 180.
4. If you think it’s unfair, blame the UK. They helped draft the Schengen legislation whilst a member. The only thing Brexit had to do with it was putting UK in the same class as all other 3rd countries (Australia, South Africa, Russia, United States etcetera) The Schengen legislation existed a long time before Brexit came about - by leaving the EU, UK simply put themselves in a position where this existing legislation would apply to them.
5. The 6 months in UK for an EU citizen carries a lot of caveats. Your normal tourist visa is in fact 90 days - same as most other places. The 6 month visa is a business visa, however on obtaining this visa you may not in any way demonstrate residency i.e. you are not allowed to go to the UK on a 6 month Visa and rent a house as that shows intentions of residency. There are a lot more, but the notion that EU citizens can swan into UK on a 6 month pass whilst UK citizens are restricted to 90 in 180 is a fallacy.
You cannot be out of Spain for longer than 10 months in the whole of the first 5 years...full stop
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