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Why is Spain and the UK, France, Italy having such a high fatality rate ---lets hold a debate

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:10am
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SkySword

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Why is the death rate so bad in Spain, UK, France and Italy?

The hospitals seem to be agreed the virus attacks people more as they are older, the cut off being around 50 up, fat obese people, apparently male more than women, and now they say Blacks and other minority ethnic groups than Whites (Presumably due to genetic or other common disorders like sickle cell anaemia rather than for pure racist reasons).

But why does everybody think these countries are so massively affected compared to other countries where ordinarily you'd expect a raging spread of disease like India, Pakistan, South Americas?

Leon

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:24am

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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:24am

Well in answer to this, I have just been out shopping in Super T in Turre and believe it or not there were people shopping in there with no mask,s or gloves What is up with people do they think we are all wearing them for fun.It does seem that people think its all over now  they can go out.  Time will tell

Melaphil

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:55am

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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:55am

I don't think all countries are honest in reporting their virus death numbers.  I know the UK and the US are leaving out people who have died at home, some who have died in care homes, staff who have died, etc.  Some state governors in the US have also put a stop to reporting some deaths.  So I don't think we can get good comparison numbers now.  But I do think the US is by far the #1 in deaths by what they have reported but Russia is gaining fast.  Even with high numbers I think Spain has responded very well.  Cannot say that about other countries.  

Geoffp34

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:04pm

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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:04pm

I agree 100%. The management have a duty to enforce the rules to keep us all safe. If the management are failing in their duty, the police should be enforcing it. 

SkySword

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:09pm

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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:09pm

In the UK its not about being honest or dishonest. Deaths are registered but there's no central clearing house for deeming them "Corona" based. At the beginning they used hospital confirmed covid cases because that data is robust. Later they added care homes when that became more apparent. But this data isn't daily. The remaining deaths may or may not be clarified as covid or may be suspect covid. So basically unreliable data. But work can be carried out comparing to average year death rates, the so-called excess deaths. These are not necessarily Covid but might be secondary increases caused by lack of other hospital services. Its actually quote difficult to know.

In America there might be a political pressure due to re-election of senators and governors etc. But personally I doubt it. Given the awful rate of deaths there - worse than Vietnam by far, anyone claiming glory for low death rates is on thin ice.

Everyone like to bash China. I'm not sure they have hidden anything. At the time the world was amazed how many were dying. Its only now with hindsight when the west is so bad do we allege cover up. China has its faults - er, OK it has a great many faults, but on this breakout - once they finally accepted they had an issue, they seem to have been fairly honest and open.

Each nation seems to have different reporting techniques. Personally the only types of country I'm suspicious of are Brazil, Iran, and the poorer countries where the infrastructure is basically trashed. And I include India - even though they have the bones of a good cicilk service in principle, but far too many people.

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Matthew

Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:40pm

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Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 12:40pm

SkySword wrote on Wed May 13, 2020 11:10am:

Why is the death rate so bad in Spain, UK, France and Italy?

The hospitals seem to be agreed the virus attacks people more as they are older, the cut off being around 50 up, fat obese people, apparently male more than women, and now they say Blacks and other minority ethnic groups than Whites (Presumably due to genetic or other common disorders like sickle...

... cell anaemia rather than for pure racist reasons).

But why does everybody think these countries are so massively affected compared to other countries where ordinarily you'd expect a raging spread of disease like India, Pakistan, South Americas?

Hi SkySword. The death rate due to Covid-19 was debated at length on several threads here. Most were deleted. Some people just couldn't handle the truth. 

133military

Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 11:24am

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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 11:24am

This post that was quoted has been deleted.

The main problem in the UK is that although the government had a long time to get ready in getting ppe, Shutting down schools, implementing lockdown(and what a farce that has been) they acted like the preverbial ostrich. Even now with deaths still in the high hundreds, with many occurring in care homes and 1000s suspected as not being counted they are opening up the country so the morons who thought the law didn't apply to them can now legally drive hundreds of miles to a beach. 

How the hell did we ever win a war, it seems we couldn't organize a p--- up at a brewery. 

Stu65

Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 3:58pm

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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 3:58pm

With regard to the possibility of being a backlash for China. I found myself looking twice at an item the other day, and when i found it was made in China (hard not to, i know), i put it back on the shelf. There will be a natural consumer backlash against Chinese offerings over the next year or so, until the virus has died down a little and people have had time to forget.

Jimh

Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 5:57pm

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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 5:57pm

The Virus seems to significantly target certain groups as well particularly those with Diabetes, Dementia and pulmonary heart disease. 

Melaphil

Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 7:48pm

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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 7:48pm

I doubt much is done for dementia patients.  So they would have a high rate.  Probably with the others it depends on their general health, cognitive abilities and age as to the measures taken.  A really big incentive to stay healthy!

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