Scrapping EU laws and the Ex-Pat?> - Page 3

Excellent post and well written, but do you think a card carrying Tory member from Surrey will agree with you? - Not a chance! - Every cliche will be pulled out to ensure the poor will remain poor. And of course the action of the nurses, ambulance crews, teachers, train drivers, civil service etc is not about just the money. Wake up Rishi - It’s nearly all about the money, the other issues are pretty negligible to the money.

But, again all the cliches will be pulled out to try and confuse the public.

Like yourself, I don’t see the UK rejoining the EU. But, stranger things have happened. Do British expats in Spain want the UK back in the EU? At this moment I believe they do. Does it matter to them if the GB£ or the Euro is used? I think not other than the devoted Tory members.

How and when will things proceed from here? - I don’t know. But, the UK cannot continue as it is. Expelling a few illegal immigrants won’t solve anything other than clouding the main issues.

Let’s have a look of the main advantages of the British expat if the UK opted to rejoin the EU with full membership.

1. Single currency (euro). No more continuing expense at changing GBP£ to the euro. Handier money, no more confusion regarding exchange rate etc going and coming. Will arch Tories want to opt for this? - No chance whatsoever. The picture of a British monarch on a banknote is sacrosanct. And we all know the importance of the monarchy, but hey! - They (the monarchy) don’t care whose face is on the banknote. They are never short of money and want only what is beneficial to Britons.

2. We’ve had the cherished notes for years. Is there a huge difference to you what banknote you have in your pocket? If the answer is yes then have your motorways returned to dirt tracks. I’m not saying the monarchy should be obviated; royalty is the UK’s greatest export and long may it last.

3. While I support a United States of Europe, it’s never going to happen. Each EU member is independent unto itself and none wants to relinquish sovereignty.  Opportunity lost for future world peace I’d suggest. (Likely I’ll take a hit on this one).

4. EU membership by the UK and single currency would dictate more expensive property value in Spain and if an expat wanted repatriation with the mother country the transition would not be as onerous and expensive as it is now. Neither would it be for Brits going to Spain.

5. It’s win/win for the British expat in Spain if the UK rejoins the EU. Why the reticence?

Hear Hear well said

“Well said”, Jenni?  What about that … recitation of misinformation and delusions was “well said”?

I don't think card carrying Tories will have a say after an election boots them out of power. Every year since 2016 another person has reached 18 and the ability to vote. There will always be 25% of the UK population voting for the Tories no matter how corrupt they are. The only hope for the UK is the youth who have had their future taken away from them. The ability to study and work within the EU. Will be a big factor in the UK agreeing a deal with the EU. This will not be decided by expats or pensioners living in Spain.

Probably the truest words ever spoken. Thank you SonderB. Nothing is more real than reality.

To an outsider looking in a general election may change the governing party in the UK with one that is not stand out brilliant. I’m listening to Labour spokespeople talking about the ongoing strikes. I get the feeling that they are as out of touch with reality as the Tories. They even share the same cliches.

To be honest I can’t see too much positivity in the next five years for rank and file Britons in the UK. Perhaps the expat is better off.in Spain. Partial membership of the EU may not be the full answer either. One thing is certain that if the UK doesn’t get its act together and fast it’ll be up there with the Belgiums and Irelands of the world, like a lighthouse in Coventry, brilliant but useless. The HMS Queen Elizabeth II will be nothing more than an ornamental sitting duck dynamic only in personal crew story tv programmes. 

I’m not blaming Brexit but where and when did it all go wrong?

And we have a new cliche to add from the forum , , , It is what it is.

Not only that we have some ‘inspirational’ posters shouting “Hear, Hear!”

Ok after reading several post above we all have diffrent opinions  but uk used to be called  Great Britain  🇬🇧  for a reason that it was great to be from a strong  nation  we had the best ship yards the best engineers  the best design  and the best of the n.h.s that was going....so the ansew to the question  were did it all go wrong is when we started.to sell everything and get cheap imports all for profit and greed this our grandfather's and grandmother's would be turning in there grave if they could see what the government's  of the last 30 years have done to this great nation of ours so weather  we live as expats in another's  country or we live in uk 🇬🇧  our great nation is no more unless its for greed or profit....we don't own hardly anthing any more and what's even worse its all the government's  fault...this is only my opinion...

When Brexiteers tell me that I do not understand what Brexit was about and then can't explain it themselves - you would have to wonder how it is and why there are so many versions of 'what Brexit is'. I always ask because there are so many people who believe without knowing the facts. Mostly, the belief they have mostly comes undone when they try to explain the unexplainable.

However, it does explain why many people 'believe' (that word again) that what will happen on the 31st December is just a continuation of the myth that the EU imposed laws on the UK. What will happen on the 31st, before a General Election, is a removal of many types of regulation that was agreed to by many MPs now present in the UK government. No one knows what will happen but deregulation, primarily of  UK Finances is what the Tories are after. It gives them the 'freedoms to be reckless, that is why it was regulated in the first place. It puts every ex-pats pension on the line. If the Tories do that, they can equally decide to simply stop paying pensions abroad for example (as other EU countries do). There are millions of expats retired abroad and we should be worried.

As for the Guardian references, yes, they are the only non-Tory newspaper left in the UK and for the  record I try to get my news from as many  sources as possible. No one has impartial news any more, it's all commercial. The Guardian asked for a massive sponsorship last year from the UK and International readership to keep it more independent than others. The same with the BBC reference I added. Another organisation that constantly comes under attack by the Tories? Surely if they were wrong the politicians could say so and get the public to believe them. One of the articles was about a top Tory who said, "... Brexit was disaster..." ?

Belief and emotion gets in the way of so much clear thinking that used to happen in the UK, part of its downfall. I agree with the comments of the downfall put above, it has been coming for decades, profit above anything the public needs or wants. The war years brought about a kind of acceptance that we were all in the same boat and needed to look after each member of the crew (still a good business model in todays world).

I think there was a reluctance too, to see that European countries have caught up on the UK. Since 1918 when America passed the UK in terms of being the richest country the UK has been desperate to stay up there. The UK was the only 'empire' of the five taking part in WW1 to 'survive' but then instead of reforming and getting on its feet it limped on into recession and then WW2. Twice in that time Germany got back on its feet and so did a broken Europe. The nations fighting each other for hundreds of years agreed to stop and as a result have done more than well. Europe has become a beacon of hope for so many around the world and people across the world have stopped looking at the UK for models of humanity. There are so many places in the EU I could give examples of that are beating the UK hand over fist.  Look at Belgium who a year ago made all their public transport free to it's citizens but not to the hundreds of thousands of people who 'migrate' into work there each day from neighbouring countries. Yet the UK has lost that enterprise because many of those people work abroad. Five and a half million UK citizens live and work abroad - 9% of the UK. You won't find that statistic in any Tory newspaper.

Then there is the growing impetus for Scotland and even Wales to consider leaving the UK. More of the south of England Tory politics would surely mean they have a right to leave too?

(Just a technical note: GB refers to the largest island of the British Isles (Eng, Scot, Wales). It excludes Northern Ireland as any sports fans might know from the confusion arises in the Olympic / Commonwealth teams? The Great means large. The small version lost its name and became Ireland, presently subdivided)

Just received a piece from Open Britain, one of the Remain groups that was too weak to put a proper campaign together.

The Conservatives have a new Chair of their party to replace the one who was sacked because of sleaze.

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If you listen carefully, you can hear the Conservatives scraping the bottom of the barrel. Through all of the corruption, scandals, and resignations over the years, Rishi Sunak’s government is facing a serious dilemma: they’ve got no one normal left to serve in key positions.

That’s why Lee Anderson MP was just made deputy chair of the Conservative party. Not because he was the best candidate but because there are simply no decent people left who are willing to go down with this sinking Tory ship.

Anyone who’s familiar with “30p Lee” will not be surprised to see him immediately cause a scandal. After all, this is the man who condemned food bank users for being “bad at budgeting”, refused to watch England play because they took the knee to stand against racism, and expressed delight at being named the “worst man in Britain”

A core part of Anderson’s new role is promoting the government in the media and generally garnering public support. It’s not an enviable position for anyone to be in, but they genuinely seem to have found the worst possible person for the job.

Anderson is, of course, off to a roaring start as deputy chair. He very publicly called for the return of the death penalty just before his appointment, forcing Rishi Sunak to awkwardly clarify that that was not the government’s official position. He also advocated for a “naval standoff” in the channel over small boats and got himself into a petty row with a BBC reporter who brought up his past. That’s just in his first week.

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Great stuff, The Mirror (UK) reference to their award of "Worst Man" of 2022 has a great article for denigrating not only the UK newsmakers lack of standards but the standards of British journalism - or rather the levels the standards have sunk to in reporting so much titillation?

Enjoy? No, because it will get worse.