Scrapping EU laws and the Ex-Pat?> - Page 2

No it cannot get much worse the UK has gone to the dogs and the rich don't bother as it dont affect them...like retirement  up to 68 and soon it be 70 but nobody  seems to notice its simple  maths you retire 68 even if you live to 90 that's only 22 yrs if you extremely  lucky so let's see what else they can do...like put gas/electricity  up by 80pecent and push the cost of living up and also the price of fuel up oh nor to forget strip the n.h.s bare and treat every body like s....t but they got a massive  majority  so they can do what they like and it's not going to get any better.. ok ok moan over but all of above is true

Best post I’ve seen in ages. Excellent summary.

These are not EU laws. These are UK laws passed by the Westminster Parliament.

No EU laws could have been implemented unless they where confirmed by a sitting UK parliament. All EU countries are sovereign governments, and the UK when it was a EU member had the veto right on all acts passed by the EU Parliament.

What is happening now is sheer bollox. As the Tories are trying to wipe away UK law which protects the rights of the UK people. Under the pretext it somehow has anything got to do with the EU. Which the UK left 3yrs ago.

Even when the Labour Party wins the next election it will still be quite a while before these laws are enacted again. This is  something everyone in the UK should get stopped as soon as possible.

That's ok long as they don't sneak everything  though the back door and then it's to late to do anything about it 

The Tories aren’t sneaking anything through the back door - they are being very overt in ramming it through the front door!!

Why did they get such a large majority ? Where the Labour Party so bad and will they be any better , again I really haven’t a clue . I think it has been a perfect storm that whichever party was in power, we would be suffering from the strikes and economy . The covid pandemic and then the Ukrainian war . They must have had a huge impact on every economy . When you look at some of the MPs it makes you wonder who would vote them into their posts . There must be a lot of apathy on behalf of the voting public . What is the percentage of non voters . Look what can happen when strong politicians are allowed to take over . Hitler , Mussolini, Franco. Can the man in the street really have a say ?

Have to agree with SonderB that they are UK laws as given above. If they had been imposed or given from above someone would have known about it. The 'EU law' is a way of denial? EU regulations have to have consent amongst all the individual nations. In my view that has a stabilising effect on irrationality and dictators.

It is worth noting that 75% of all seats in parliament never change hands as it were. If they are conservative they stay conservative and the same for Labour, except that a few 'red' seats changed hands and caused such alarm when it happened because it was such a rare event.

So many of the sitting MPs, especially long serving members, voted for the laws that they will now scrap on the 31st of December 2023?

For me, the apathy or lack of backbone, is exactly why Boris got in (to get the job done) and why no one has the stomach to fight. it will be the faschists who have entered through the back door into the Conservative party that will now take power. They are primarily motivated by de-regulation of the financial sector and being money motivated will mean ignoring quality of life.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/31/brexit-lies-tory-billionaire-guy-hands-uk-eu-economy?CMP=GTUK_email

Years ago the extreme left did the same to the labour party and were eventually exorcised but I doubt if that will happen here unless the public or strikers rise to the occasion?

On a personal note, having just become a state pensioner (2 yrs later than planned) there is little sympathy for raising the retirement age at present. When I was a kid it was well known that people had five years post retirement (65 to 70) before they died. People used to celebrate even retiring at 65 :) Now the life expectancy is around 82/3? I have every sympathy with the concept of not raising the age but the Conservatives, over their last run have tried three times to reduce the cost of Pensions by unlocking the triple lock that was put on by a Labour government, during EU times and moving the goal posts is the easy way to reduce the financial cost. Unless someone stops the rot they will continue to attack these parts of life we depend on to feed the rich.

So, ex-pats should begetting onto their representatives to do something about it. 10 months is not a long time given a summer recess and nothing happening at Christmas?

Having read all these posts I cannot believe that people haven’t understood what Brexit was all about. It was to allow the UK to make its own decisions based on UK interests rather than wait for a very corrupt assembly in Brussels to impose their decision, based on various national interests, on the UK. You only have to look at Covid vaccines and the response to the war in Ukraine for examples 

I also see that the majority of links to newspaper articles are to the Guardian:) need I say more. 

Yes it was done in a hurry and not much was done right but it is what it is and now the EU and the UK need to stop playing silly buggers (can I say that?) and negotiate for a future relationship that will benefit both sides Not easily done and I don’t think that the politicians we have are up to it.

Ps. Spain in Franco’s day wasn’t to

Brexit was about leaving the EU. Not bombing the UK back to the stone ages.

Their was a concensus among the majority that voted for Brexit, to remain in the Custom Union and Single Market. As it made no sense back then to remove the UK from the richest market on the planet. A market that was right next door. Northern Ireland is not in the EU but operating within that market and the economy is moving it the right direction, upwards. Unlike the rest of the UK which is going backwards at a fast rate.

But as they say, it is what it is.

I cannot ever see the UK or what remains of it, rejoining the EU. Mainly because the French and Germans are doing fine without it. The UK will never get what it had before. Which was a lot. And they threat of having to change from Sterling to the Euro will kill it off for good.

But the UK will rejoin the Single Market & Customs Union. The Norwegian model/Freedom of movement will make a comeback under a different name. The UK will pay the needed $Billions to the EU. And accept all the conditions. Without having any influence. Such is life outside the EU Club.

The publically elected corrupt;-) EU Assembly will pass rules and regulations that the UK will have to follow in order to do business with the richest market on the planet.

Meanwhile in the UK, and the elected totally corrupt Tory Goverment, life will go on, as they try and bring the UK back down through the 1950s and on down to a living standard around the golden years of 1919.

I read one of the benifits of Brexit was most of the Hard RightWing parties in Europe have stopped talking about leaving the EU;-) As they can see what a dogs dinner it has made the UK economy. There is no votes there for them.

One of the many untruths of the Tories, is the notion that the fast roll out of the Boris Vaccine, had somehow come about because of Brexit. The UK was a soverign country still under EU rules and regulations when the the Boris Vaccine was rolled out. As a soverign country it had full autonomy to roll out the vaccine within the EU. Brexit had nothing to do with it.

I've been watching some episodes of "When the Boat Comes in" and while it is a fantastic TV show. Do we really want the UK to return to an era (1919) with no worker rights, no NHS. Where a soldier could only get a pension if he was killed or injured in battle. And a corrupt Goverment took care of itself and its cronnies. 

The youth of the UK will decide its future. And that future will be closer ties to the EU.

Very well stated, and of course many thanks for busting the myth that the vaccine rollout had anything to do with Brexit.

Of concern is the current utterly corrupt governments attempts to drag UK out of the ECHR … I’m guessing the supporters in the wider populace think that it applies only to refugees coming to their shores and being out of it would allow UK to act like Russia and do what it likes with people it doesn’t want.

In a way, they are right … scrapping the Human Rights Act 1988 would indeed allow them to do what they want … but not just with refugees ….

How many people I wonder recognize that the HRA 88 (in which the rights of the ECHR are enshrined and which keeps UK in compliance with ECHR) covers things like

• The right to life
• The right to a fair hearing
• The right to respect for private and family life
• Freedom of expression
• Freedom of thought, conscience and Religion and the protection of property
• Freedom of assembly and association

This to name just some.  Given this governments track record, it’s not difficult to imagine that scrapping these protections would not only make UK a pariah state internationally, regarded the same as Russia or North Korea, but would drive the country back as SonderB points out to the early 1900’s

Not really a good place to be when you want to compete with a world that is firmly in the 21st Century - unless of course you believe in the British Empire *snigger* and feudal law!!