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Appeals against rejection for an Irish passport.

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:22am
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June99

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This will please Matthew.  I was turned down when I applied for an Irish Passport.  Everyone else in my family is either eligible for passport or already has one.  The basis of my application was that I was married to a Northern Irishman. When I was turned down, I grumbled a bit but accepted the situation.  Now I find out you can appeal!  So I was wanting to hear from people who have appealed and hopefully appealed successfully.

Matthew

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:07am

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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:07am

I am sorry you were turned down in your application for an Irish passport. It is comforting that other members of your family are entitled outright or already have Irish passports.

I understand that if there is a weak dispute on your "Irishness" (probably wrong word) the tendency of the Irish Passport Office is to decide in favour of the applicant. I know people who in a million years never thought they'd get an Irish passport and they got one. Particularly, I'm talking about people who went through the adoption process or Irish people residing in the UK for years having lost contact with the Irish family and not leaving details of birthplace, Irish residence etc with the current family. These scenarios happen more than most think. Correct registration of births did not happen in Ireland until the early 1950's and even then a child could be 3 or 4 years old before the birth was registered. 

Employment records pre 1960 are sparse in Ireland too. (Many Irish emigrated to the UK for work and remained under the radar there too).But, in the past twenty years the Irish authorities (along with their UK counterpart) have looked on such scenarios with much sympathy. 

I could say more but I'm trying to broach such delicate subjects without offending anybody or interfering on what are now favourable consequences which could change for whatever reason.

Jack

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:35pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:35pm

You WERE married to an Irish man? Are your other family members all now married or have been married to Irish people?

June99

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:42pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:42pm

Matthew wrote on Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:07am:

I am sorry you were turned down in your application for an Irish passport. It is comforting that other members of your family are entitled outright or already have Irish passports.

I understand that if there is a weak dispute on your "Irishness" (probably wrong word) the tendency of the Irish Passport Office is to decide in favour of the applicant. I know people who in a million years never thought they'd get an Irish passport and they got one. Particularly, I'm talking abo...

...ut people who went through the adoption process or Irish people residing in the UK for years having lost contact with the Irish family and not leaving details of birthplace, Irish residence etc with the current family. These scenarios happen more than most think. Correct registration of births did not happen in Ireland until the early 1950's and even then a child could be 3 or 4 years old before the birth was registered. 

Employment records pre 1960 are sparse in Ireland too. (Many Irish emigrated to the UK for work and remained under the radar there too).But, in the past twenty years the Irish authorities (along with their UK counterpart) have looked on such scenarios with much sympathy. 

I could say more but I'm trying to broach such delicate subjects without offending anybody or interfering on what are now favourable consequences which could change for whatever reason.

Sorry Jack. To be clear,I am still married and living with my  Irish husband. We have been together since 1975 but didn’t get married until 2003  I am English. I had thought, like the Thai brides, my marriage certificate would entitle me to a passport. It seems it was the wrong type of certificate. It was a shortened  version not a long one. I knew not what they meant but as I thought there was no right of appeal I accepted the ruling. Now I realise you can appeal I will try to find out the exact grounds for turning me down

The others in the family have Irish fathers. Thanks for your interest. 

June99

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:54pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:54pm

June99 wrote on Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:42pm:

Sorry Jack. To be clear,I am still married and living with my  Irish husband. We have been together since 1975 but didn’t get married until 2003  I am English. I had thought, like the Thai brides, my marriage certificate would entitle me to a passport. It seems it was the wrong type o...

...f certificate. It was a shortened  version not a long one. I knew not what they meant but as I thought there was no right of appeal I accepted the ruling. Now I realise you can appeal I will try to find out the exact grounds for turning me down

The others in the family have Irish fathers. Thanks for your interest. 

Thanks Matthew for  expressing sympathy. I won’t be able to uncover long lost relatives as my descendants are all English. I had assumed that by marrying an Irishman I would qualify for a passport but I was wrong. Really I am trying to find out if there are any valid grounds for appealing. I am preventing husband from long term rental or purchasing plans in Spain cos I can only stay for three months at a time. At this stage we are not confident enough to apply for residency

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colinR

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:41pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:41pm

Hi June

Good luck with your application, mine has taken 2 years so far (I have citizenship now) but the form filling, photos etc

are a nightmare, but I am still hopeful, So keep trying.

Colin 

EndEx

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:53pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:53pm

June99 wrote on Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:54pm:

Thanks Matthew for  expressing sympathy. I won’t be able to uncover long lost relatives as my descendants are all English. I had assumed that by marrying an Irishman I would qualify for a passport but I was wrong. Really I am trying to find out if there are any valid grounds for appealing....

... I am preventing husband from long term rental or purchasing plans in Spain cos I can only stay for three months at a time. At this stage we are not confident enough to apply for residency

Think you're a wee bit misinformed there June?

Why aren't you using your option of 'Spouse of Irish/EU Passport holder' as in my case?

I have Irish and UK Passport, wife has UK. She gets her UK passport stamped and visa upon residency as 'Spouse of', job done, we go and live in Spain and she's entitled to all I am, under the EU citizen rules.

Unless I've misread your post,  in which case please accept my apologies?

June99

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:47pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:47pm

EndEx wrote on Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:53pm:

Think you're a wee bit misinformed there June?

Why aren't you using your option of 'Spouse of Irish/EU Passport holder' as in my case?

I have Irish and UK Passport, wife has UK. She gets her UK passport stamped and visa upon residency as 'Spouse of', job done, we go and live in Spain and she's entitled to all I am, under the EU citizen rules.

Unless I've misread your post,  in which case please accept my apologies?

Endex.  I think yours is the answer I have been waiting for!  I am not misinformed just completely ignorant.  Who stamps my passport?  I have been googling but couldn’t see any info that matched your solution so if you have any pointers on where I can go to get information to start this process I would be very grateful.  Do I need to get a professional adviser involved?

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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:16pm

June99 wrote on Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:22am:

This will please Matthew.  I was turned down when I applied for an Irish Passport.  Everyone else in my family is either eligible for passport or already has one.  The basis of my application was that I was married to a Northern Irishman. When I was turned down, I grumbled a bit bu...

...t accepted the situation.  Now I find out you can appeal!  So I was wanting to hear from people who have appealed and hopefully appealed successfully.

Hi, there has been a great rush for Irish passports, which are very convenient. It took me about 10 seconds to get through Alicante airport in May, whilst many English passport holders were struggling to get in.  As I was born in Southern Ireland it proved no difficulties whatsoever to get a passport. despite having lived in the UK virtually all my life and I'm long retired. I was trying to find out about an Irish Passport for my English wife but she passed earlier this year. Both of my parents were Irish and my English-born brother is applying currently. the 3-month restriction is very inconvenient indeed, if I ever get a UK companion, the three-month restriction would be a big problem for me also. I wish you the very best in your efforts and your appeal

Helen51

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:23pm

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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:23pm

EndEx wrote on Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:53pm:

Think you're a wee bit misinformed there June?

Why aren't you using your option of 'Spouse of Irish/EU Passport holder' as in my case?

I have Irish and UK Passport, wife has UK. She gets her UK passport stamped and visa upon residency as 'Spouse of', job done, we go and live in Spain and she's entitled to all I am, under the EU citizen rules.

Unless I've misread your post,  in which case please accept my apologies?

Hi. Just read your reply to June. I would also like to know the process for getting my UK passport noted that I am the spouse of an EU/Irish passport holder. Any pointers would be appreciated. 

Helen

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