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To move or not to move permanently ,,???

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:57am
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Geordie59

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Hi all we are still debating whether to move permanently to Almeria; we wondered weather we could still live in spain without having to give up our passports   It appears more difficult  now to move without  proof of finances and tests for language ECT. To give up our NHS feels very  apprehensive. Yet we do want to live in a warm climate in our later years dye to arthritis.  and embrace the culture and language. I suppose it's  the fear of will we fit in. Are THERE any  supportive stories from expats  who were brave enough  to follow  their dreams of a fun filled RETIREMENT please.  Thank you for reading our selena kind regards to you ALL Sharon.

Matthew

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:53am

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:53am

Hi Sharon, When Brexit occurs you'll still be entitled to spend some months in Spain (and there is still negotiating being done before the leaving date regarding entry to Spain by UK residents). You won't have to surrender your passport or NHS entitlements. And the good news is you can rent a centrally located two bedroom apartment for around €700 per month which includes all utilities and internet. 

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:46pm

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:46pm

Hi Sharon,

You don't say when you are planning to come to Spain or whether you are already retired. Your options are becoming more limited.

Only by spending time here can you decide whether you will 'fit in'. All depends on your interests and past times.

To stay in Spain you will need Residencia. During The Brexit Transition period which ends December 2020 for retirees gaining residencia is relatively easy. Primarily, before the end of Dec 2020 you need proof of residence in Spain ( title deeds or tenancy agreement ) and your Padron certificate (  empadronamiento ).You would then have six months 'grace' in which to obtain your residencia certificate.  As  retirees you would need an S1 certificate from the NHS to guarantee healthcare in Spain ( which btw is very good ). You would also need a certificate from the Pension service stating your pension income entitlement.   

If you decide to come after 31st. it becomes a very different kettle of fish! Others here ( Dario in particular ) have much greater knowledge than I but essentially UK will be a third tier country. Qualification to live in Spain then becomes more difficult. Yes. a language test will be required together with greater income requirements. I'm not sure about healthcare. 

You may have to exchange passports as well as driving licences but if you decide to return to UK you will always be able to get them back.

The UK Gov.UK website is worth a good read and will answer the majority of questions.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/useful-information-living-in-spain?utm_source=d33151b9-2230-4370-80fa-774ef4e39be8&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate

Hope all goes well!!!!

regards,

Geordie59

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:31pm

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:31pm

truenudist wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:46pm:

Hi Sharon,

You don't say when you are planning to come to Spain or whether you are already retired. Your options are becoming more limited.

Only by spending time here can you decide whether you will 'fit in'. All depends on your interests and past times.

To stay in Spain you will need Residencia. During The Brexit Transition period which ends December 2020 for retirees gaining residencia is relatively easy. Primarily, before the end of Dec 2020 you need proof of residence in Spain ( title deeds or tenancy agreement ) and your Padron certificate (  empadronamiento ).You would then have six months 'grace' in which to obtain your residencia certificate.  As  retirees you would need an S1 certificate from the NHS to guarantee healthcare in Spain ( which btw is very good ). You would also need a certificate from the Pension service stating your pension income entitlement.   

If you decide to come after 31st. it becomes a very different kettle of fish! Others here ( Dario in particular ) have much greater knowledge than I but essentially UK will be a third tier country. Qualification to live in Spain then becomes more difficult. Yes. a language test will be required together with greater income requirements. I'm not sure about healthcare. 

You may have to exchange passports as well as driving licences but if you decide to return to UK you will always be able to get them back.

The UK Gov.UK website is worth a good read and will answer the majority of questions.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/useful-information-living-in-spain?utm_source=d33151b9-2230-4370-80fa-774ef4e39be8&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate

Hope all goes well!!!!

regards,

Thank you very much for your time in answering  my message, we will be looking to come within next 5 yrs as we can not  leave  my sister who has dementia and Jill's mum who is 86yrs  we will research more and definitely learn spanish  ONCE  again thank you and kind regards stay SAFE in these times Sharon and Jill.

Geordie59

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:01am

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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:01am

Matthew wrote on Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:53am:

Hi Sharon, When Brexit occurs you'll still be entitled to spend some months in Spain (and there is still negotiating being done before the leaving date regarding entry to Spain by UK residents). You won't have to surrender your passport or NHS entitlements. And the good news is you can rent a cen...

...trally located two bedroom apartment for around €700 per month which includes all utilities and internet. 

Hi Mathew  thank you so much for your comments its  much appreciated, It's  certainly a lot of research we will continue to do  and hopefully we can make the right desicion  when we are in a position to retire. Kind regards sharon. 

hartcjhart

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:49pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:49pm

'If you decide to come after 31st. it becomes a very different kettle of fish! Others here ( Dario in particular ) have much greater knowledge than I but essentially UK will be a third tier country. Qualification to live in Spain then becomes more difficult. Yes. a language test will be required together with greater income requirements. I'm not sure about healthcare. 

You may have to exchange passports as well as driving licences but if you decide to return to UK you will always be able to get them back.'


I am sorry but I disagree here with you, Dario is summising on the tittle tattle that is going on NOW,

Last week Spain said no UK tourists without isolation,today it changed

NONE of us know EXACTLY what the 'arrangement' is going to be regarding residencia until nearer the time (including politicians in the UK/Spain)

Some people have said that Spain does not need the £££ ,well check out ALL the big holiday resorts

in 2019 Brits spent apx  2 million euros per hour.

All that said yes get set to move,I would but work means I would only be there for 10 weeks max

DarioMartin

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:32pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:32pm

hartcjhart wrote on Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:49pm:

'If you decide to come after 31st. it becomes a very different kettle of fish! Others here ( Dario in particular ) have much greater knowledge than I but essentially UK will be a third tier country. Qualification to live in Spain then becomes more difficult. Yes. a language test will be r...

...equired together with greater income requirements. I'm not sure about healthcare. 

You may have to exchange passports as well as driving licences but if you decide to return to UK you will always be able to get them back.'


I am sorry but I disagree here with you, Dario is summising on the tittle tattle that is going on NOW,

Last week Spain said no UK tourists without isolation,today it changed

NONE of us know EXACTLY what the 'arrangement' is going to be regarding residencia until nearer the time (including politicians in the UK/Spain)

Some people have said that Spain does not need the £££ ,well check out ALL the big holiday resorts

in 2019 Brits spent apx  2 million euros per hour.

All that said yes get set to move,I would but work means I would only be there for 10 weeks max

Er ... “surmising”? 

We know exactly what the arrangement is.  Those still believing that there is a “special arrangement” for British nationals post 31/12 are living in a fools paradise.

As of 1/1/21, UK becomes a “third country”, it’s nationals subject to the general immigration regime.  There is NO discussion, or propositions for “special arrangements” - this is nothing but a fantasy of those that still misguidedly think “they need us more than we need them”

Still, if you wish to cross your fingers and hope for a “special arrangement”, it is of course no great concern to me.  I would just counsel those that choose to believe not to go saying “but how can this be?” When expected special arrangement doesn’t materialize and your “Spanish dream” becomes just that - a dream, and no more.

truenudist

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:38pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:38pm

DarioMartin wrote on Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:32pm:

Er ... “surmising”? 

We know exactly what the arrangement is.  Those still believing that there is a “special arrangement” for British nationals post 31/12 are living in a fools paradise.

As of 1/1/21, UK becomes a “third country”, it’s nationals subject to the general immigration regime.  There is NO discussion, or propositions for “special arrangements” - this is nothing but a fantasy of those that still misguidedly think “they need us more than we need them”...

...

Still, if you wish to cross your fingers and hope for a “special arrangement”, it is of course no great concern to me.  I would just counsel those that choose to believe not to go saying “but how can this be?” When expected special arrangement doesn’t materialize and your “Spanish dream” becomes just that - a dream, and no more.

Agreed !

truenudist

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:41pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:41pm

“Some people have said that Spain does not need the £££ ,well check out ALL the big holiday resorts

in 2019 Brits spent apx  2 million euros per hour.“

Nobody is suggesting that people from U.K. will not be able to holiday here.



DarioMartin

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:45pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:45pm

truenudist wrote on Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:41pm:

“Some people have said that Spain does not need the £££ ,well check out ALL the big holiday resorts

in 2019 Brits spent apx  2 million euros per hour.“

Nobody is suggesting that people from U.K. will not be able to holiday here.



Agreed. Spain will continue to be a holiday destination.  It is just becoming a resident that will be more difficult 

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