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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:26pm
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jasnat247

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My wife and I have been in Spain since 7th December 2020. Since arriving we have applied for residency and been refused twice and I believe that we now face a court case . This the list of evidence dated December 2020 that we have to confirm that we were in Spain before January 2021

Storage company contract and receipt

Deposit contract for house purchase 

Credit card statements

Police NIE assignment appointment

Contract from Transport Company

Receipt from Notary for power of attorney

Rental contract for apartment

Proof of income  

I was wondering if anyone knows what further information the Spanish Authorities are looking for to prove that we were here.

Lmj18

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:43pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:43pm

Assuming it’s the Uk, you left? Proof you left UK.  P45, if working, mortgage redemption or rental contract termination.  Tickets for travel, ferry plane etc

This shows you cut ties with UK. The items you mentioned then confirm your status of being in Spain. 

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DarioMartin

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:28pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:28pm

jasnat247 wrote on Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:26pm:

My wife and I have been in Spain since 7th December 2020. Since arriving we have applied for residency and been refused twice and I believe that we now face a court case . This the list of evidence dated December 2020 that we have to confirm that we were in Spain before January 2021

Storage company contract and receipt ...

...

Deposit contract for house purchase 

Credit card statements

Police NIE assignment appointment

Contract from Transport Company

Receipt from Notary for power of attorney

Rental contract for apartment

Proof of income  

I was wondering if anyone knows what further information the Spanish Authorities are looking for to prove that we were here.

Have they stated why you were both refused? and refused twice no less - that would be vital in establishing what more information you need to provide.

jasnat247

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:53pm

jasnat247

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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:53pm

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:28pm:

Have they stated why you were both refused? and refused twice no less - that would be vital in establishing what more information you need to provide.

Hi Dario, We have been refused on the basis of insufficient official documentation. Would have thought that the appointment with the police for the NIE, the receipt from the Nortary for POA and credit card statements would have covered all required. 

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:22am

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:22am

jasnat247 wrote on Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:53pm:

Hi Dario, We have been refused on the basis of insufficient official documentation. Would have thought that the appointment with the police for the NIE, the receipt from the Nortary for POA and credit card statements would have covered all required. 

Thats … strange; you would have been applying under old Residencia rules.  Normally all that is required to show you were here at the time is a Padrón (well, Padrón is mandatory, without that there is zero chance)

Do you have any airline / ferry ticketing information to show when you arrived?  You need something which proves residence since December 2020 … water / electricity / internet bills are a good start as even though they can be paid from overseas, usage would indicate residence … very strange indeed..

I take it you are going through a lawyer to do the appeal?  Is the one you are using a Migration specialist like Mundi Abogados?

jasnat247

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:07am

jasnat247

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:07am

DarioMartin wrote on Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:22am:

Thats … strange; you would have been applying under old Residencia rules.  Normally all that is required to show you were here at the time is a Padrón (well, Padrón is mandatory, without that there is zero chance)

Do you have any airline / ferry ticketing information to show when you arrived?  You need something which proves residence since December 2020 … water / electricity / internet bills are a good start as even though they can be paid from overseas, usage would indicate residence … very stra...

...nge indeed..

I take it you are going through a lawyer to do the appeal?  Is the one you are using a Migration specialist like Mundi Abogados?

We do have a lawyer but she has told us that several of her colleagues have said that the authorities are now behaving very silly. I would have thought that the deposit contract for house purchase which was signed by my wife, myself and the previous owners in the estate agents office Police NIE assignment appointment when we went to apply for the NIE and the receipt from Notary for Power of Attorney signed by both of us and the Notary would be enough.

We have numerous credit card payments from shopping at Carrefour supermarket but regarding any proof of arrival, we unfortunately travelled with our transport company over from the UK via France.

What should have been a pleasant retirement has turned into an absolute nightmare. 


DarioMartin

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14pm

Strange.  Wonder what’s got into them?

You of course had a Padrón didn’t you? Silly question I know buuuuut ….

Shay123

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:23pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:23pm

Hello,

I read this rather quickly and might have missed it but do not rely on their list as being what you need. They are cute and will tell you what you haven't got then tell you on the third visit. What I didn't see was any proof of income, which you probably need for your bank application. They haven't asked for debt clearance, insurance or health insurance, funeral plans or photographs - all things not always bothered with in the past. Half my documents were waived because the British woman who took me there acts as unofficial agent but is well known for her thoroughness which is why I took her with me.

Times have changed, Brexit has changed many things and the long standing recruitment drive to get other nations to buy in Spain has reaped rewards, most of the people where I live are Belgian for instance and all have bought in the last four years.

My advice would be to trawl as many websites as possible for other documents, anything that is listed and take it even if it is not requested so that you will not be surprised when you get there. Don't rely on the solicitors because there is a limit to what they can do if the officials are playing games. Sorry to be down on this but at my last official application I tried to do this and each time the official asked asked I brought out something else and gave a knowing look. Do stand up to them a little, they will bully you if you give them an inch and report this trouble to the Embassy, they are interested in what is happening post-Brexit and it will be useful feedback and may help too.

Best of Luck!

jasnat247

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:41am

jasnat247

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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:41am

DarioMartin wrote on Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:14pm:

Strange.  Wonder what’s got into them?

You of course had a Padrón didn’t you? Silly question I know buuuuut ….

Hi Dario, yes we do have a Padron. The problem regarding this is that they are not saying specifically what it is that they are looking for from us, just official documentation whatever that is supposed to be.

jasnat247

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:48am

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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:48am

Shay123 wrote on Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:23pm:

Hello,

I read this rather quickly and might have missed it but do not rely on their list as being what you need. They are cute and will tell you what you haven't got then tell you on the third visit. What I didn't see was any proof of income, which you probably need for your bank application. They haven...

...'t asked for debt clearance, insurance or health insurance, funeral plans or photographs - all things not always bothered with in the past. Half my documents were waived because the British woman who took me there acts as unofficial agent but is well known for her thoroughness which is why I took her with me.

Times have changed, Brexit has changed many things and the long standing recruitment drive to get other nations to buy in Spain has reaped rewards, most of the people where I live are Belgian for instance and all have bought in the last four years.

My advice would be to trawl as many websites as possible for other documents, anything that is listed and take it even if it is not requested so that you will not be surprised when you get there. Don't rely on the solicitors because there is a limit to what they can do if the officials are playing games. Sorry to be down on this but at my last official application I tried to do this and each time the official asked asked I brought out something else and gave a knowing look. Do stand up to them a little, they will bully you if you give them an inch and report this trouble to the Embassy, they are interested in what is happening post-Brexit and it will be useful feedback and may help too.

Best of Luck!

Hi, thanks for responding to my post. Out of all the documents that I have I would have thought that the confirmation of our appointment for NIE from the police would have been considered official enough to prove that we were here in December and attended the interview. This unfortunately has gone past the point of logic and we are totally lost.

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